Comments on: Sometimes to conserve, you must consume http://www.karinoyo.com/archives/339 deconstruction. education. unstill life with hounds. Mon, 17 May 2010 13:07:31 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: k2 http://www.karinoyo.com/archives/339/comment-page-1#comment-10 k2 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:29:11 +0000 http://www.karinoyo.com/2008/08/sometimes-to-conserve-you-must-consume/#comment-10 Didn't you buy Budianski's book from The Fox? Because I'm almost positive that's one of the reorders that ended up still sitting on the shelf when we closed. (Heh. The only reason I know I've got his book is because I take names from nearby bookshelves when I need names for site testing, although these days I mostly use the really fabulous names from spam. Gotta love that spam.) Have you seen <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100151/" rel="nofollow">Mindwalk</a>? It's a slow one, not quite as tedious as Dinner with Andre, at least. Lots of discussion about systems, from the point of views of a scientist, a politician, and a poet. Excellent movie. Perfect for rainy day with hot tea. Not that we've had very many cool rainy days down here, but I can hold out hope, eh. Didn’t you buy Budianski’s book from The Fox? Because I’m almost positive that’s one of the reorders that ended up still sitting on the shelf when we closed. (Heh. The only reason I know I’ve got his book is because I take names from nearby bookshelves when I need names for site testing, although these days I mostly use the really fabulous names from spam. Gotta love that spam.)

Have you seen Mindwalk? It’s a slow one, not quite as tedious as Dinner with Andre, at least. Lots of discussion about systems, from the point of views of a scientist, a politician, and a poet. Excellent movie. Perfect for rainy day with hot tea. Not that we’ve had very many cool rainy days down here, but I can hold out hope, eh.

]]> By: Mara http://www.karinoyo.com/archives/339/comment-page-1#comment-9 Mara Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:11:42 +0000 http://www.karinoyo.com/2008/08/sometimes-to-conserve-you-must-consume/#comment-9 Very good & valid point. Sort of ties into the difference between PETA ("don't own pets at all") and people who advocate a more humane view of human-animal interaction. If we didn't have pets, or farm animals, then a number of species would just plain be extinct -- or are already, like the aurochs. We live in symbiosis with animals and the world around us; we affect them/it and are likewise affected. Wise use is not exploitation. A couple of books on the relationship between animals and humans: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Covenant-Wild-Animals-Chose-Domestication/dp/0300079931/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219777805&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Covenant of the Wild</a>, by Stephen Budianski (he has some other good books on animal behavior) and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Merles-Door-Lessons-Freethinking-Dog/dp/0156034506/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219777879&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Merle's Door</a> Very good & valid point. Sort of ties into the difference between PETA (”don’t own pets at all”) and people who advocate a more humane view of human-animal interaction. If we didn’t have pets, or farm animals, then a number of species would just plain be extinct — or are already, like the aurochs. We live in symbiosis with animals and the world around us; we affect them/it and are likewise affected. Wise use is not exploitation.

A couple of books on the relationship between animals and humans:
The Covenant of the Wild, by Stephen Budianski (he has some other good books on animal behavior)
and
Merle’s Door

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